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Finally, I'm not alone!!

Lisa — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:10:10 GMT

Wanted to say hi and share my story.

I'm Lisa, 32 yrs old. At 16 I was scared beyond belief. I met my husband at 17. We knew eachother from High School. He drove everywhere and... still does. I have a major anxiety and panic attacks. Aside from driving, sleeping is the 2nd difficult thing to do. I actually have plans, when he goes to welding school, to join a driving institute to maybe get this under control. Now Im worried everyone will be so young and I'll be the only adult.

I have to admit th reason I'm going to this school is because I know everyone wants me to. If he will be going to school and we would only be a street away from eachother, I feel that I have absolutely NO excuse not to go. This will be several years from now though. not something I have to worry about right now.

When you dont want to drive, your mind will find ANY excuse to validate it. To be honest, I dont want my husband/I to have ANOTHER vehicle that will consume gas and require maintenence. not just oil changes but internal things that end up costing a lot.

How have ppl reacted to your ot driving? I get the same answer everytime.. "then DONT drive" It seems to be no problem, but they make it sound so simple. It's NOT simple, at all. I think maybe CANT is what feels so bad. Cant drive feels like a disability. Wont drive feels more controllable. I would rather a 'Dont have to'. My husband could get in an accident any time, I could have an emergency, etc etc etc. I'm sure you guys already know all the things that can run through your mind. I feel so responsible and the type of person I am just doesnt get held down by something like THIS! It keeps me home and not working like a disabled person. I hate it.

What are the options ppl can take? Busses here are dangerous. Taxis are almost as bad. I wish I lived close enough to walk somewhere. it's not safe to do that anyways either.

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I don't drive either....

ed — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:46:12 GMT

Well my mom didn't drive, so niether do I.

It sucks, becuse I live in this sorry oiece of crap town with 0 transportation, and no where to go. No busses for mile. I hate it. Even walking conditions are bad. I have tried a few times to drive, but it doesn't work. My wife has 0 patience with me, and put me off to her step-dad, but I feel odd around him, so the driving seems to not go well. Plus we have a car, but they have to come to me to show me how to drive, and I find that dumb.

So 2 weeks we are without a car, becuase I can't drive it. No fun walking at all here. Just barren open spaces and a highway.

I will move back to Raliegh, or Charleston, but this is the pits.

Do I have a driving phobia...at times I feel so retarded for not driving.

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Cool place, I'm not alone.

Blake — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 02:24:33 GMT

This is a pretty cool place, I'm 23 now, I've drove a few time but always in the country and would get rather scared when I was behind the wheel. Though, probably my most horrifying experience was driving a drunk friend home in his car so that he wouldn't get a dwi. Luckily I didn't get ticketed, but I have never been more afraid in my life... was a good thirty mile trip, me 13 with only a basic understanding of how to drive... Which is why I don't now, not to mention being in two car accidents before I was a teen.

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I'm new here

Dah — Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:41:08 GMT

Hopefully I'm not breaking rules posting this but... if I am, just tell me or delete it

It's awesome to find a place for people who hate driving ... I feel fairly alone in this, because I'm surrounded by drivers and it saps the energy from me, sometimes.
When I was 18 and fresh out of school, my parents enrolled me into a driver's ed course ... and I was into it for a bit, until the actual driving started. I have control issues, and I just didn't feel in control when behind the wheel. And after seeing half a dozen videos about accidents occurring because of new drivers, it made me even more nervous.
Half way through the course, I realized it was screwing everything up. Before, I could drive in a car, and not worry at all, just trust in the person driving... But then, while a passenger in my dad's car, I started yelling at him to watch out for nothing that was a legit problem... It made me worried, paranoid, and above all SCARED. and I hated it.
So one night, I told my parents I was going to quit the class. They insisted I finish it, because they already paid for the rest of the course, and I would've wasted a bit of their money. I agreed, but said afterwards, I'd never drive again.

Two years have passed now, and my driver's permit has expired, and my parents (and others) both have begged me to get my driver's license a thousand times now, but I've held strong. My hometown has bus service, taxis (Both of which my parents said they did NOT have when they began their "learn to drive" argument, which is a crock) so I see no need.

Anyway, there's this newby's story and hello everyone.

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Should I get my license. . .

Chelsea — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 00:05:57 GMT

I'm 21 years old and I do not have my license. None of my friends understand why I do not drive. I too have a fear of driving. Noting traumatic has happend to me to induce this fear, I just don't like to drive. I've had my permit renewed 4 times now, and I'm kinda embarrassed about it. So I'm trying to decide if I should just go through life not driving. I plan on living/working in downtown PIttsburgh, so I will not really need a car to get around town. For those of you who have gone through your life not driving, do you ever regret not driving?

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Fear not laziness

steph — Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:37:28 GMT

A lot of people seem to judge me for not driving. They assume I am too lazy to learn to drive. I lost someone very close to me at age six to a drunk driving accident. I formed the fear of driving early on. Can anyone else relate?

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well, I CAN'T DRIVE~ SO I DON'T!

lmbfreespirit — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 02:21:23 GMT

Mom & I are the ultimate carpoolers!
I was TBI~ brain INJURED in 3/99, by a drunk driver!
I started the StemcellsGIVElife tribe about 5 yrs ago!
To share what I am learning & teach! I WAS a teacher at the time of my crash!!!
I REFUSE to call it an "accident"!

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People keep asking me if I drive YET.

Dee — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 05:21:36 GMT

I dislike having to explain myself anyone. Just the other day My daughter's kindergarten teacher asked me if I drove over, when I dropped off snacks for her class. Am I wierd for not driving or is she weird for asking? I didn't know what to say. I didn't get into it with her but I get asked if I drive, or if i drive yet all the time. By neighbors or people I know in passing. I find this incredibly rude. I don't ask them their personal business. Inevitably I end up explaining the reason why I don't drive. I'm nearly 30 and i grew up in the NYC area. I took subways to college and I worked in Soho, and found no need to drive.
There is more to it though. I'm deathly affraid of driving. My Father tried to teach me when i was around 19. I was enthusiastic at first the way most young people are. This quickly changed, because every time i did something wrong in the car, my father slapped me around. After that when ever I tried to get behind the wheel I would tense up so badly my back would ache, and i'd get pounding headache. I would really like to drive but I'm terrified. I live in suburban Michigan and find myself isolated. There isn't anywhere to walk to and my subdivision doesn't have sidewalks. When I lived in NY I was able to get around easily, and it isn't unusual for adults not to drive. It's great to have this community.

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Hi, here's my story

Mon, 19 May 2008 02:22:24 GMT

I did not get my license until I was almost 18. (I'm now 33) My grandparents raised me from birth, and my grandfather died when I was 14, just before I could learn. Grandma did not drive, so we had to rely on other family members or taxis to do grocery shopping or run simple errands. My grandmother hired a driving instructor a few times, but it was expensive, and not enough training, but it did help me get my license. Since then, I have only driven close to home, and only when needed. I get lots of anxiety behind the wheel, especially when pulling out of busy shopping areas or merging into fast moving traffic from ramps. I have lost boyfriends over my lack of driving, since I am afraid to travel more than 30-40 minutes away from home, and can't drive to meet them. Recently, I was given a GPS as a gift, and event though it helps me with directions, it does nothing to calm my fears of just being on the road in real time traffic, and knowing what to do in certain situations. That would only come from experience which I don't have.

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KILL DEATH DOOM HATE- my mistake

ZaeM the Great and Powerful — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:12:50 GMT

I'm a fool.

I moved to the suburbs. I have no car. I was fired from my crappy annoying job in town (for no reason by the way). and there's nothing out here and I'm trapped in my Home with no way around.

I made a very big tactical error in moving here.

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just got a car

poopylungstuffing — Wed, 14 May 2008 15:17:38 GMT

I have owned a few cars in the past..that were either barely-drivable or mainly for novelty sake (a Chevy Vega i wanted to turn into an art car given to me by an ex-roommate)...my nickname for it was the CutieCar..and I wanted to turn it into the "Monkeymobile"...this was maybe in 2001...and I had some sorta intent then to get my liscense...
A complete lemon of a 80's Chevy Cavalier that I got when I was 19 or 20..and already a "late driver"...my boyfriend at the time drove me around in it till it broke down about a month later...At that point i was in the dregs of attempting to get my liscense and had already failed the drivers test a couple of times...it was right around the time I took my disapointing Adult Drivers Ed class.

Now recently, my dad got me a really nice Volvo..that I am quite pleased with...though I still do not drive...my boyfriend uses the car for work.
Over the weekend though, i actually did drive the thing...(early on a Sunday morning when boyfriend was still too drunk to drive)
It was actually kinda fun!
...Granted there were no other cars on the road at the time.....

Anywhoo...at the age of 32...at the risk of danger to myself anf others....I might concider attempting to get my liscense again....
Just so that I have one.
I will STILL be a non-driver....
just one with a liscense...in case of emergencies.
I will still prefer a bike to all other modes of land-bound tranportation

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Just riding in a car

poopylungstuffing — Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:41:14 GMT

anyone else out there who experiences intense anxiety just from riding in a car?
It often freaks me out and puts me in a bad mood. I am constanly on edge...not so bad on long road trips..but in city traffic it is enough to give me a heart attack.

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Non-driving adults on TV and in the movies

jb — Tue, 14 Mar 2006 19:07:06 GMT

I just saw "The 40 Year Old Virgin" and was delighted to note that the title character was also a "driving virgin", preferring instead to ride his bicycle around town.

Does anyone know where else one might observe such a phenomenon?

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Whats wrong witht he kid?

karatcake — Tue, 06 May 2008 12:53:14 GMT

I'm 28 and live in nyc. I dont drive but I was in driver's ed at 16, (which I wasnt as enthusiastic about as the other kids) but I got so called expelled from school before the road test. Had that not happened, I probably would have not been typing this. Anyway, years went by and I developed some sort of fear or mental block against driving. I put this aside to take lessons from my father when I was 18. On the first lesson he was telling me to brake, I didnt see why so I kept going. Then he start yelling frantically for me to stop the car. Panicked as hell, I stopped. He then said "oh sorry, I thought the light was red". Pissed off, I drove home and never got back in the drivers seat with him and swore off lessons from family. The experience brought back whatever anxiety I had about driving.

Shortly after that, I went to VA to visit my brother and he forced me to practice. Then he had me driving his kids around alone. For some reason the experience wasnt as nerve-racking as I thought it would be and I came back to NY feeling confident, which wore off the minute I touched NY soil. When I was abut 25, this fear mysteriously disappeared and I got my permit for the second time and took brush up lessons to get ready for the road test. During one of these lessons, the instructor started screaming like a maniac in the car and startled the SHIT out me (apparently his glasses were too strong and he thought a truck was closer to me than it was really was). Then even after he admitted his mistake he tried to scold me about it, this kind of turned me off to the whole thing, but I did stick with the lessons. When all was said and done, he told me that drive very well, I never made the appt for the road test because I still felt I wasnt comfortable! So yeah, I've driven before with "no problem" but there something about the thought of driving that makes me very anxious and not want to bother with it. I had a close friend who was really motivated and got her license with no problems, I mean she BREEZED thru this effortlessly. After the road test, she refused to drive due to extreme nervousness. Years passed and she came to check me recently and she was f'ing driving with a smile on her face. Needless to say I halfway felt like shit.

Now I'm here about to do this for the third time because I dont feel like wasting money to get a another permit if this expires. Truly, If I didnt have a child I wouldn't even bother driving.

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good city for non drivers

jeremy — Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:39:21 GMT

I am 38 married with a two year old and a non driver. My wife does drive. I am looking for a city that has goood weather, a reasonable cost of living and good walking conditions and public transpotation NYC is just too expensive these days. Any ideas?

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Coming out of the closet!

Mon, 07 Nov 2005 05:00:35 GMT

My name is Janine de Luna-Azul

I'm 9 days short of 41 years old.

I don't and never have owned a car.

Nor do I really like to drive,( I live in Austin where no one else really knows how to drive anyway.)

I don't have a driver's lisense.

I feel better knowing about this tribe.

Thank you.

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my non driving SigOth

mikearama — Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:46:07 GMT

This is a cool idea for a tribe. I'm married to an adult that doesn't drive. I mentioned it once to someone at the Mill and I got the weirdest looks. Then people pushed me to admit I was just joking. Wow, I realized how much of a car nation we have, but this was psycho.

My grandmother didn't drive either, but I think she liked being waited on....

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Thanks for the confimation

Wade — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 02:53:29 GMT

I am 26 years old and have had people asking...no telling me that I need to drive a car, yet I have been successful in my life without one. I love the extra exercise I get, I have a spouse and friends who drive and live a full life without owning a car. The only people who have ever given me trouble about it are my family. The enviroment just doesn't need anymore cars and I don't feel that it is worth it to pay the extra expenses expecially given the benefits I am recieving from the exercise of walking/bicycling. I know people who drive everywhere, even if it's just down the street and they are all overweight and generally unhealthy. Sorry, if I have to work a little harder to not be like that so be it.

I just stumbled upon this forum and would like to thank you all for giving me confirmation that I am not insane and can continue to live my fufilling life without a car

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Not Driving In LA

elaine — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:28:25 GMT

I'm responding to a post from many months ago, but thought I'd add a little info. I've been here in LA for about a year and half now and don't drive. It has not been a propblem at all. I live in Glendale. The Glendale BeeLine will take you anywhere in the city you want to go and there are bus stops everywhere. Its only 35 cents and 25 for senior's.
Within 5 to 10 minutes the Beeline will get you to Galleria, Glendale College, downtown, and the metro station. Low cost, no parking, no stress and you can feel good that you are not adding to the traffic and smog. There are so many supermarkets out here that it is unlikely one will not be in walking distance. I live 2 blocks from Ralph's and enjoy the walk. People complain that people in LA don't get to know eachother and that it is hard to make friends here but all they need to do is GET OUT OF THEIR CARS!!! I meet new people, enjoy the sunny weather and have really gotten to know my neighborhood. Granted, my boyfriend drives so when a car is essential I hitch a ride with him. But I'm completely independant and I'm free from car payments, isurance, stress. I love it!

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nice to join you :)

Adline — Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:04:05 GMT

Hi everyone, I'm from Malaysia. I have a driver's licence, but don't own a car or drive. I just hate the stress and I'm too paranoid about getting into accidents. My husband never got a licence, his family couldn't afford a car and right now, it's just too expensive for us. Honestly, I am so tired of everyone nagging us to get a car - busybodies! My husband and me, along with our 3 year old son get by just fine on cabs and public transport. Sure its tough sometimes, but there are pros and cons to owning a car and driving too. Sigghhhh.... I am so happy to be here amongst people who understand! It's a great tribe and thank you for having me :)

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great tribe

artemisia_danst — Thu, 01 Nov 2007 03:09:10 GMT

hey all

i'm 30. my family and friends have been harassing me for the last 10y that i should learn to drive and buy a car. i've managed without. i take the odd cab, have stuff home delivered sometimes, and for my dance gigs have to rely on friends/students/drives (but would not want to go unaccompanied to a gig anyway)., but 80 to 90% of my life happily gets sorted out by walking, cycling and public transport. and i do want to keep it that way!

Artemisia

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new never drove never will

jenny — Mon, 29 Oct 2007 02:06:22 GMT

Hello. I am a somewhat rural non driver with a family and I am soooooo tired of people telling me how empowering it would be for me, how much better life would be, how easy...blahblahblah. At first I didn't drive because I lived in the city and there was just no need. I love to walk and if that wouldn't do there was buses and taxis all over the place. Flash forward to moving to the burbs w/ kids. There WAS a bus on my road but it was cancelled shortly after the move. We CAN walk to a grocery store and another bus. It is a bit if a trek but less than a mile. It's a very dangerous rode for anyone biking. Anyway, with the constant haranguing and snide comments about me just NEEDING to drive, my thoughts have evolved to this - I will never drive. First, since driving a car is the most damaging thing one can do to the earth, I'm taking a stand, I'm not doing it. Also, exercise is a good thing. Stepping into the car is not exercise. And everything isn't easy. Sometimes I want to be able to get places more easily. It is then that I do something to creatively distract myself - i.e. I've become one bitchin' baker. Or should I say we. We as a family do some great stuff together at home that those bopping about from practice to mall and back never seem to find the time to even consider.

I think my "stance" if properly vocalized will be a good example for my kids and help them to realize one should tread lightly on the earth and be creative with one's time upon it.

NO ONE EVER lets me get all of the above out of my mouth without rolling their eyes and walking away muttering. So thanks - even if you didn't read it, just for this tribe.
J

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It's for the excersize

Yul — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:31:56 GMT

One of the reasons why I don't drive is because it forces me to excersize. That is, I often have to walk around or bike around to get to places. If I was a typical American driver, I might end up driving EVERYWHERE -- even to the conveniece store that's a five minute walk from my house. If I did that, I'd get far less excerise than I currently do. Meanwhile, your typical American driver might say they don't have the time to excersize. But I say they'd have the time to excersize if they walked or biked to and from work.

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LA busses and trains affected this Saturday (Apr 28th)

Mushroom Girl — Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:16:27 GMT

Here's what I found on the bus:

A flyer that says:

On Saturday morning, April 28, 2007, rail and bus passengers traveling to and from Union Station between 6 am and noon may experience delays of 15 minutes or longer due to a scheduled security training exercise.

Metro Rail, Metrolink and Amtrak trains will be affected and buses that normally serve Patsaouras Transit Plaza will be rerouted to Cesar Chavez Avenue and Vignes Street

Metro lines impacted will be 33, 40, 42, 439, 442, 444, 445, 446 (Rte 447) and 745, along with Santa Monica Big Blue Bus Line 10.

The Los Angeles County Sheriff's Deparment, Los Angeles Police Department, Metro Security, Amtrak Police and the U.S. Department of Transportation will be involved in the Homeland Security exercise. As part of the exercise, security checkpoints will be set up around Union Station and inbound passenger trains and buses will be inspected. Public participation at the checkpoints is voluntary.

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Hi, Im Edie and Im a recovering driver....

Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:58:59 GMT

Just stumbled across this tribe and was so tickled.
I have a valid DL although I have no idea how. I have wrecked every car that I have ever driven.
I am a horrible driver. I get lost in my back yard, I have no depth perception, I have driving narcolepsy. You name it, Ive got it.
I just gave it up before I kill someone.
I abhor driving. I really don't even like being in the things.
So this is me,
Hello all.

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Anyone here not drive in Los Angeles?

imagebliss — Sat, 17 Feb 2007 04:40:06 GMT

Now that would be an accomplishment!
I am planning to move there, and haven't driven in like 21 years!
If so, let me know how you do it, and let me know how you deal with the stigma and judgmental attitudes?

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I wasn't going to join

onearm — Sun, 28 Jan 2007 15:51:19 GMT

first of all, I found this tribe while trying to un-join 40-or-so other tribes - and - I want to be an adult who DOES drive a car by the fall of this year, so I don’t know if I need that phrase staring me in the face on my homepage, reinforcing the opposite of what I want - finding this tribe yesterday DID give me an idea, though, so I woke up at 4:00 this morning and wrote about it, almost as if I’d had a choice, as if I hadn’t been hearing voices -

it is not finished per my refusal to 12-step my perfectionism, but I don’t think I’ll finish it, per my refusal to annoy myself further with the issue - I’ll let you fill in the blanks - you can make a game of it - I’ll even give you the magnetic refrigerator tiles to get you started:

nightmares, carbon monoxide, public transportation, a hole in my wallet, a mysterious mental block, anxiety, nightmares, alcoholism, rednecks in hulking pickup trucks with gun-racks honking horns that play, “oh, I wish I was in the land of cotton...,” lattes, cellphones, morons, nightmares, and actually enjoying physical exertion -

maybe I’ll just post this and then I’ll bail out

...or maybe I’ll stick around:

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When I see an adult on a bicycle...

onearm — Sat, 24 Feb 2007 00:56:29 GMT

...I do not despair for the future of the human race.

- H.G. Wells

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Hi my name is Brian and I'm a non-driver

UltraLibra — Tue, 19 Dec 2006 03:02:22 GMT

I am almost 30 years old and I have never had a license. I don't know why that happened but I know how it happened. I could blame my dad all I want (he owned a stick shift and *insisted* that I learn even tho my lesson were on automatic) but I know what I did.

I got comfortable.

You can't read a book when you are driving yourself. On long trips I just pull out my reading material.
Can't sight-see while you're driving because you'd kill somebody. I stare out of my window all that I want on the bus.

But now I'm in a city that is hard to get around in. The public transit here in a word, sucks. I have gotten my permit but I wonder how long before I have my first accident. I don't think of myself as a good driver even when learning. I'm scared to drive if I think about it.

So far the only people that gave me shit about not driving was my parents. Nobody else talked about it and I do give them gas money to get me around.

I am able-bodied but I need my glasses as a stipulation. So do I take the plunge and go for my license? Is it even worth having a car nowadays? Help!

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driving and work

diazo — Sat, 29 Jul 2006 01:08:46 GMT

hi fellow non-drivers,

i have a little dilemma. i do have a driver's license (but am waiting for a replacement card from CA which i then have to exchange for NY license) but i have never been a city driver and only "learned" at age 35 since i grew up in the city. i've also had a couple scary driving experiences. now my boss is pressuring me to drive for work (i'm an environmental educator, another reason NOT to drive). it would be helpful though for work because i have materials i'd need to transport to schools during the winter in order to do programs. but i DON'T WANT TO DRIVE.

any thoughts, suggestions? i could just tell him that i'm not comfortable driving and therefore make myself unavailabe for winter programs (ok by me because i have lots of grant writing to do)... the job after all did not require that i have a driver's license. i DO ride a bicycle when possible. it has a basket but that can only carry so much without messing with my balance...

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And kids who do...

jb — Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:25:08 GMT

http://www.cbs5.com/localwire/localfsnews/bcn/2005/11/27/n/HeadlineNews/FATAL-CRASH/resources_bcn_html

Another reason I am reluctant to even be near cars.

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A shout out to our moderator!

cyn_thia — Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:39:38 GMT

I'm watching weather reports on Hurrican Rita. Just want to let our Houston based gal know that our thoughts are with her as she weathers the storm!

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really hate it when....

maryoneal — Thu, 03 Mar 2005 03:25:43 GMT

I grew up in a metropolitan city with full transportation (san francisco) and I really hate it when people (here in Sacramento) are so flabbergasted to hear that I reject cars and have no desire to drive. I don't have kids, I can work locally and walk. Why is that so awful to people. Car culture just infuriates me. I will eventually get my license so I can rent a car and travel, but that's about it. : )

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